I have grown completely desensitized to both victory and defeat. I just play chess. I enjoy myself when I find I understand a position.
Thanks for replies and reactions : )
How do chess players in general respond to having their errors pointed out?
Chess precision is a trend of popular lines that should not have blunders. So they are a good tool to learn from, but it does not mean the popular move are accurate moves. They are just natural moves. Learning to play chess is a gradual process. Play at your own pace and not at the pace of others. Accuracy improves as we better our systems and endgame methods.
Chess precision is a trend of popular lines that should not have blunders. So they are a good tool to learn from, but it does not mean the popular move are accurate moves. They are just natural moves. Learning to play chess is a gradual process. Play at your own pace and not at the pace of others. Accuracy improves as we better our systems and endgame methods.
@SimonBirch said in #1:
> When people lose and say they learn so much from it. I don't learn anything , it just makes me feel physically sick if its a real bad loss. I think it's just something chess players say when in truth it just hurts, what do you think? xxx
The most value-added way to improve your chess is as follows:
1. As you play, state very clear and concise reason(s) for each move that you make. List all of the pros and all of the cons that you can associate with each move.
2. After your game, study how each of your reasons and rationales, behind each move, actually played out.
3. Expand on the ideas that worked well for you. Learn from, correct, and evolve the ideas that did not work well for you.
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Because this is the most value-added way to improve, it follows that many people understand that their losses provide invaluable instruction.
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Also, people sit down at the chess board for different reasons.
Some people do it to get into time trouble, where both players have 10 seconds on the clock, and where they hyper-stimulate their adrenal glands to produce adrenaline.
Some people do it because they have an inferiority complex but happen to be good at chess, and so they find what seems to be an endless supply of ratification to their esteem, which never seems to correct itself.
Some people do it because they're extremely competitive and love the feeling of earning a win, but hate the feeling of a loss.
Some people do it because they like to remember the moments they could look down on their defeated opponents, but simultaneously fate themselves to also look down upon themselves.
In my view, none of these are likely to sustain a person's interest across the span of a lifetime.
In my view, there is only one thing that can keep a chess player at the board from cradle to crypt.
It is not ambiguous. It is not speculation. It is not theory.
It is perfectly clear to me, and for the lifelong chess enthusiasts, what keeps people at the chess board.
The answer?
The chess!
It is that plain; it is that simple.
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I once wrote:
Stop expecting yourself to win.
Stop expecting yourself to gain points.
As a chess fan, you have only one ambition;
as a chess enthusiast, you have exactly one focus;
as a chess engineer, you have only one job;
as an efficiency expert, you have only one bottom line.
*Nothing else should be in your mind except for one thing, at all times, win/lose/draw/blunder/brilliance.*
100% of the time, you are to be doing one thing, and one thing only.
*You are here to find the most efficient and best squares for your pieces to occupy, and watching and admiring the combination of art and math as you accomplish this creative prerogative.*
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As soon as you change your focus to something that is appropriate and value-added (as in your love for chess), then not only will your chess improve, but all of this other chaff that cycles through your mind will quickly fall away.
Good luck, and may your pieces find the very best squares!
> When people lose and say they learn so much from it. I don't learn anything , it just makes me feel physically sick if its a real bad loss. I think it's just something chess players say when in truth it just hurts, what do you think? xxx
The most value-added way to improve your chess is as follows:
1. As you play, state very clear and concise reason(s) for each move that you make. List all of the pros and all of the cons that you can associate with each move.
2. After your game, study how each of your reasons and rationales, behind each move, actually played out.
3. Expand on the ideas that worked well for you. Learn from, correct, and evolve the ideas that did not work well for you.
-
Because this is the most value-added way to improve, it follows that many people understand that their losses provide invaluable instruction.
-
Also, people sit down at the chess board for different reasons.
Some people do it to get into time trouble, where both players have 10 seconds on the clock, and where they hyper-stimulate their adrenal glands to produce adrenaline.
Some people do it because they have an inferiority complex but happen to be good at chess, and so they find what seems to be an endless supply of ratification to their esteem, which never seems to correct itself.
Some people do it because they're extremely competitive and love the feeling of earning a win, but hate the feeling of a loss.
Some people do it because they like to remember the moments they could look down on their defeated opponents, but simultaneously fate themselves to also look down upon themselves.
In my view, none of these are likely to sustain a person's interest across the span of a lifetime.
In my view, there is only one thing that can keep a chess player at the board from cradle to crypt.
It is not ambiguous. It is not speculation. It is not theory.
It is perfectly clear to me, and for the lifelong chess enthusiasts, what keeps people at the chess board.
The answer?
The chess!
It is that plain; it is that simple.
-
I once wrote:
Stop expecting yourself to win.
Stop expecting yourself to gain points.
As a chess fan, you have only one ambition;
as a chess enthusiast, you have exactly one focus;
as a chess engineer, you have only one job;
as an efficiency expert, you have only one bottom line.
*Nothing else should be in your mind except for one thing, at all times, win/lose/draw/blunder/brilliance.*
100% of the time, you are to be doing one thing, and one thing only.
*You are here to find the most efficient and best squares for your pieces to occupy, and watching and admiring the combination of art and math as you accomplish this creative prerogative.*
-
As soon as you change your focus to something that is appropriate and value-added (as in your love for chess), then not only will your chess improve, but all of this other chaff that cycles through your mind will quickly fall away.
Good luck, and may your pieces find the very best squares!
@SimonBirch said in #4:
> That's terrible , you don't enjoy your victories? Not even a little smile or fist pump lol xxx edit: you're too nice if you can be too nice lol
Really.
on the other hand if it's an interesting match with a nice checkmate (no matter who wins) then I say eureka (or wow!) and I make big gestures!
> That's terrible , you don't enjoy your victories? Not even a little smile or fist pump lol xxx edit: you're too nice if you can be too nice lol
Really.
on the other hand if it's an interesting match with a nice checkmate (no matter who wins) then I say eureka (or wow!) and I make big gestures!
When has learning ever been easy?
Well as there over a billion trillion different scenarios in chess games ( or visible atoms in the universe or whatever they say) how much can you learn from one chess game scenario that you'll probably never experience again,( especially at my level where I don't know the computer lines)
I wasn't really saying I don't cope with losses, maybe just the games I had a chance to win and then blew it. What my op was about was the standard answer of chess players about losses and learning from it ,I think it's bullplop ! for us the amateur players that are playing as a hobby. I didn't really expect essays of answers and I'm pleased for those of you that seem to have got your chess emotions , reactions to results under control , but I'm only human and losing still sucks, I don't learn anything from it as I'm just an average player always have been, and don't say that's not because I'm not learning lol (I have progressed a little in 3 years of online chess ,but I'm never going to be a master lol )( especially not at the age of 51)
The op was meant in jest, somewhat.
'oh yes,I learnt so much from that loss' seriously?!!
Happy chessing everyone ,SimonBirch xxx
I wasn't really saying I don't cope with losses, maybe just the games I had a chance to win and then blew it. What my op was about was the standard answer of chess players about losses and learning from it ,I think it's bullplop ! for us the amateur players that are playing as a hobby. I didn't really expect essays of answers and I'm pleased for those of you that seem to have got your chess emotions , reactions to results under control , but I'm only human and losing still sucks, I don't learn anything from it as I'm just an average player always have been, and don't say that's not because I'm not learning lol (I have progressed a little in 3 years of online chess ,but I'm never going to be a master lol )( especially not at the age of 51)
The op was meant in jest, somewhat.
'oh yes,I learnt so much from that loss' seriously?!!
Happy chessing everyone ,SimonBirch xxx
Let me elaborate on what I wrote in #2: I really don't think feeling pain or anger about a loss does not mean you cannot learn from it (and vice versa). Actually, for me it's often quite the opposite: the more painful a loss is and the more angry I feel about it, the better chance that I will learn the lesson and won't repeat the mistake that caused it. (I don't mean mistakes like randomly hanged pieces but rather logical mistakes of "should have known better" type.)
On the other hand, I fully agree that the emphasis on "it's a good lesson, a learning experience" while hiding the negative emotions related to the loss is often just a mask and trying to look like a grown up. (Or rather the way we are taught to believe adults should feel.)
@mkubecek said in #19:
> On the other hand, I fully agree that the emphasis on "it's a good lesson, a learning experience" while hiding the negative emotions related to the loss is often just a mask and trying to look like a grown up. (Or rather the way we are taught to believe adults should feel.)
Thankyou , now I'm happy,. You understood where I was coming from. Funny how we like are like that , other people seeing our pov ! xxx
Edit: opinions vary xxx
> On the other hand, I fully agree that the emphasis on "it's a good lesson, a learning experience" while hiding the negative emotions related to the loss is often just a mask and trying to look like a grown up. (Or rather the way we are taught to believe adults should feel.)
Thankyou , now I'm happy,. You understood where I was coming from. Funny how we like are like that , other people seeing our pov ! xxx
Edit: opinions vary xxx